But what if a Shield suit gets a hold of these new modules? Since our HP is lost to repairers and we usually need 2 repairers to be good it means shield suits will have higher HP, again, like always. Unless the 2x increase is a racial bonus, which everybody and their grandma that isn't a armor suit will ***** about, it will make no difference.

But what if a Shield suit gets a hold of these new modules? Since our HP is lost to repairers and we usually need 2 repairers to be good it means shield suits will have higher HP, again, like always. Unless the 2x increase is a racial bonus, which everybody and their grandma that isn't a armor suit will ***** about, it will make no difference.

Lets say we have a two suits an Assault CK.0 and a Assault GK.0

So for the Assault CK.0 we have 4x complex shields, and 3x basic armor which is now 130 HP, this gives them a combined EHP of 654 not counting base stats and since they do not need armor repairs this fit is fine. For a Assault GK.0 lets give him 3x complex shields, 3x basic armor and 1x repairer, this gives him a combined HP of 588 and repair of 12.5.

But what if a Shield suit gets a hold of these new modules? Since our HP is lost to repairers and we usually need 2 repairers to be good it means shield suits will have higher HP, again, like always. Unless the 2x increase is a racial bonus, which everybody and their grandma that isn't a armor suit will ***** about, it will make no difference.

Lets say we have a two suits an Assault CK.0 and a Assault GK.0

So for the Assault CK.0 we have 4x complex shields, and 3x basic armor which is now 130 HP, this gives them a combined EHP of 654 not counting base stats and since they do not need armor repairs this fit is fine. For a Assault GK.0 lets give him 3x complex shields, 3x basic armor and 1x repairer, this gives him a combined HP of 588 and repair of 12.5. If the GK.0 went buffer tank it would have 718 HP but with no way to repair this is a fairly weak fit.

Oky dok. But I do have extenders on?

CK.0

4x Complex shields = 264
2x Complex armor = 230
1x Complex repair = 10 HP

CK.0

4x Complex shields = 264
3x Complex armor = 690

GK.0

3x Complex shields = 198
3x Complex armor = 690
1x Complex repairer = 10 HP

GK.0 BUFFER

3x Complex shields = 198
4x Complex armor = 920

Seems to work pretty well, but we would need to increase weapon damage before 3 clip kills come into play.

Shots gotta hit, the average accuracy for FPS players is 30% so thats like 834 damage.

Forgot that the whole suggestion by Cat Merc included increasing the hit box, and thus a shield suit stacking armor + shields would pretty much be committing suicide.

Forgot that the whole suggestion by Cat Merc included increasing the hit box, and thus a shield suit stacking armor + shields would pretty much be committing suicide.

EDIT: Although wouldn't it be better to increase armor racially instead of completely, since doubling its HP would make every suit a dual tank or an armor tank.

Oh well, regardless of what we say and how good, or bad, our ideas are, the truth still stands that CCP isn't going to do anything, and if they do, it won't be now it will be SOON Gäó or about 6 months to 10 years from now. By the time they fix armor I will have enough SP to max my side skills and get a new suit.

It was a Blue Post last week. If you use the Dev Post finder, you should be able to locate it.

I think it was Eterne or FoxFour who made the post.

I have to say that I disagree with the majority of this. It has great ideas, but I have heard many ideas before it that make more sense.

Regarding armor plates and their penalties, just scale the armor bonus to be equal with the scale of the movement penalty. If that was overly confusing, think of it this way: 3% to 5% increase from basic to enhanced plates is a 1.6 multiplier (actually 1.6666666666666..... but this game always rounds down so I did too) so the 68 armor bonus from basic plates should be multiplied by 1.6 also, and then 5% to 10% is a 2 multiplier, so you multiply the enhanced bonus by 2, which ends up looking like:
Basic plates- 68 armor, 3% penalty
Enhanced plates- 108 armor, 5% penalty
Complex plates- 216 armor, 10% penalty

It gives the roughly same complex stats as you recommend, but keep the basic plates lower than what you recommended so you couldn't stack them and be a dual shield/armor god with low movement penalty.

Regarding increased armor repair module rates, I believe they are as they should be at the moment, you can stack them to great effect, but not god-like effect, if you think of it with these changes, a PRO Gallente assault could stack 4 complex repair modules, gain 25% more from the skill, gain 50% more from their racial that you mentioned, for a total of 40*(1.25)*(1.5)=75, which if you add in the possibility of a logi with a core repair tool, you are looking at + 105, which ends at 180 armor/second, which cancels out a significant percentage of weapon DPS, meaning it basically turns repair modules into resistance plates, stacking them to negate damage rather than keep you in the fight over prolonged periods of time.

Regarding shield extenders increasing hitboxes, I still believe the long ago recommended increase to scan profile would be a better fit, increasing hitboxes is a dramatic nerf, and though I could not confirm this for certain, would likely be a huge undertaking to code and implement it into the game.

Speaking of changes to armor, even though I don't believe it can fix all of our armor problems, I believe a Gallente assault racial mentioned here could help alleviate some issues.

To be fair, the only time you need resistance is when you are being hit, but beyond that point, as long as the Gallente racial were not a 50% bonus to rep rate, your rep modules seem like an acceptable increase. Like I said before, this stuff is my favorite idea for racial bonuses (rather obvious, since I wrote it) which means I do disagree with your Gallente racial, but fret not, as it does solve the issue of movement nerf to Gallente tanks, since movement penalties are reduced.

And also, I would rather be slow than have the enemy know my location every second of every moment, if the scan profile increase is significant, it would prove to be a greater disadvantage to the watered-down movement penalty that would result if my recommended Gallente assault buff was implemented.

A lot of hypothetical statements in this post, but I am basing my balance off of the game that would exist if the ideas from the thread I keep posting over and over again were added in.

And as long as the Gallente do not gain a 50% rep rate increase, the slowly decreasing repair rate is an unnecessary nerf to active tanking. A base 5 hp/s for Gallente is a good idea to me.

Did I mention I want more people to read this?

why does EVERYONE ignore amarr....

Anything passed a flux will kill a shield tanker, literally ANYTHING...not so for Armor tankers. Shields only have base armor unless they are dual tanking which is a wholedifferent issue.

Why must armor tankers stack shields but not vice versa? Armor tankers have to fear explosives, shield tankers the flux, to be safe against both you must dual tank. I know you think there is greater proliferation of explosive weapons but flux is up there, everyone is running these now.

One cannot ignore active regen I know you think it s negligible but it is not. You cannot buff armor ignoring this fact. We could remove the repair tool and the triage hives then we could talk. Good armor tankers take advantage of these active methods.

2 pro energizers on a Cal Assault = 90. One triage hive=70 hp/s plus 2 reppers is an easy 82.5. The shield tanker have less hp because of the energizer's -6% plus the place of the 2 mods that could have been shield extenders. This isn't even bringing in repair tool or the delay.

Shield energizers really do F things up though, that is insane (why did they add these?). The loss in hp should be reduced to 2/3/5 but should apply to total shields not just base.

Cal Assault recharge delay is 5, depleted is 8. Logi is 4/6. I think you could make some small tweaks here.

A flux wipes a shield tankers entire hp buffer. You need 20+secs to repair WITHOUT TAKING FIRE. Good luck. Fluxing an armor tanker destroys his hive and takes his shields, but no big loss as you still have main hp buffer. No explosive weapon wipes entire hp buffer in one blast.

Let's say a fire fight lasts 10 secs. Armor reppers repair entire time (plus triage hives/tools but we'll ignore those) thats 150 hp. Seems like nothing but will stop a bullet. Shields under fire cannot recharge shields so 0 in the same period, that one extra bullet will kill them. Lucky if they can get a few seconds of repair. If shields ducking the fight alone they can return quicker, part of the reason armor is dbl hp. But with a logi repairing armor is much quicker to return.

Again I don't mind buffing reppers a bit, I'm thinking 2/4/8. Buff complex plates to 130. Give shields an actual penalty, and fix energizers. Fix some mods in low slots and move regulators over to high and I think we are REALLY close. Let's just not go overboard.